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reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
I tried unsubscribing to c++ and then resubscribing. Still the exact same
problem, but with a new twist. It won't show any messages posted since Nov.
14.
Nov 17 2003
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:


 I tried unsubscribing to c++ and then resubscribing. Still the exact same
 problem, but with a new twist. It won't show any messages posted since Nov.
 14.


Try removing news.digitalmars.com adding it again and subscribing to the 
  newsgroups again.
Sorry about the inconvenience... I just rebuild the history and overview 
database, that should solve the problem.

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
next sibling parent reply "KarL" <karl kimay.net> writes:
Same thing.


Worse still, it doubled the unread to 6371, was 3720

"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:3FB9547C.3080202 smartsoft.us...

 Walter wrote:


 I tried unsubscribing to c++ and then resubscribing. Still the exact same
 problem, but with a new twist. It won't show any messages posted since Nov.
 14.


 Try removing news.digitalmars.com adding it again and subscribing to the
   newsgroups again.
 Sorry about the inconvenience... I just rebuild the history and overview
 database, that should solve the problem.

 --
 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
KarL wrote:


 Same thing.
 
 Worse still, it doubled the unread to 6371, was 3720


Sorry, can't help you more there... I am definitely NOT a "Look Out" 
expert...


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 Worse still, it doubled the unread to 6371, was 3720


 
 Sorry, can't help you more there... I am definitely NOT a "Look Out" 
 expert...


Has nothing to do with "Look out" or any other news-reader, but
the server side GROUP response. How can the client-side fix or ignore 
a wrong number in that response?. I told you this already.

-- 
Gisle V.


/bin/laden: Not found
Nov 17 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Gisle Vanem wrote:

 Has nothing to do with "Look out" or any other news-reader, but
 the server side GROUP response. How can the client-side fix or ignore 
 a wrong number in that response?. I told you this already.
 


Sorry, what is the server telling you now?
I am using Mozilla Thunderbird www.mozilla.org without any problems...
Thanks!


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
parent "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 Sorry, what is the server telling you now?


Pretty much the same:

NNTP Log started at 11/18/2003 01:18:00
NNTP: 01:18:00 [db] Connecting to 'news.digitalmars.com' on port 119.
NNTP: 01:18:01 [rx] 200 digitalmars.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.3.2
ready (posting ok).
NNTP: 01:18:01 [tx] MODE READER
NNTP: 01:18:01 [rx] 200 digitalmars.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.3.2
ready (posting ok).
NNTP: 01:18:01 [tx] GROUP c++.dos.32-bits
NNTP: 01:18:01 [rx] 211 1218 1 409 c++.dos.32-bits
NNTP: 01:18:01 [db] Connection closed.



is showing 809 new/unread msgs. Same for the other "c++" groups.

Maybe Firebird is smarter than OE and uses the minimum of the two. 

to be higher than > 409.

--gv
Nov 17 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:3FB9547C.3080202 smartsoft.us...

 Walter wrote:


 I tried unsubscribing to c++ and then resubscribing. Still the exact




same

 problem, but with a new twist. It won't show any messages posted since




Nov.

 14.


 Try removing news.digitalmars.com adding it again and subscribing to the
   newsgroups again.
 Sorry about the inconvenience... I just rebuild the history and overview
 database, that should solve the problem.


It's worse now. The number of 'unread' messages is now fixed at double the
previous number. Unsubscribing and resubscribing doesn't fix it. Does this
work correctly for anyone who isn't using Outlook Express? Up until last
week, OE worked fine on this.
Nov 17 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Have you tried 'deleting' the news.digitalmars.com account and 
recreating it?

Thanks!
Jan



Walter wrote:

 It's worse now. The number of 'unread' messages is now fixed at double the
 previous number. Unsubscribing and resubscribing doesn't fix it. Does this
 work correctly for anyone who isn't using Outlook Express? Up until last
 week, OE worked fine on this.
 
 



-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpboqp$62q$2 digitaldaemon.com...

 Have you tried 'deleting' the news.digitalmars.com account and
 recreating it?


If I do that, I figure I'll lose track of which messages I've read and which
I haven't. That'd be a big problem.
Nov 18 2003
next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Yes, that would be problem...
Sorry...



Walter wrote:

Have you tried 'deleting' the news.digitalmars.com account and
recreating it?


 
 If I do that, I figure I'll lose track of which messages I've read and which
 I haven't. That'd be a big problem.




-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent "Matthew Wilson" <matthew-hat -stlsoft-dot.-org> writes:
I've done it, and it doesn't work anyway

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:bpcpl1$1kqp$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
 news:bpboqp$62q$2 digitaldaemon.com...

 Have you tried 'deleting' the news.digitalmars.com account and
 recreating it?


 If I do that, I figure I'll lose track of which messages I've read and


which

 I haven't. That'd be a big problem.
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:3FB9547C.3080202 smartsoft.us...

 Walter wrote:


 I tried unsubscribing to c++ and then resubscribing. Still the exact




same

 problem, but with a new twist. It won't show any messages posted since




Nov.

 14.


 Try removing news.digitalmars.com adding it again and subscribing to the
   newsgroups again.
 Sorry about the inconvenience... I just rebuild the history and overview
 database, that should solve the problem.


BTW, please don't renumber the messages. That will mess up the news digest
web pages I've created. :-(
Nov 17 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Sorry I had to once the SPAM was deleted...
Won't do it again...


Walter wrote:

 BTW, please don't renumber the messages. That will mess up the news digest
 web pages I've created. :-(
 
 



-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 17 2003
parent reply gf <mz_y2k yahoo...com> writes:
Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in
news:bpbopc$62q$1 digitaldaemon.com: 


 Sorry I had to once the SPAM was deleted...
 Won't do it again...


You could just ignore it. It would be much easier.
BTW XNews 06.08.25 is messed up a little too... I "catched up" and it 
"seems" to be working fine now.

~/gf



 Walter wrote:

 BTW, please don't renumber the messages. That will mess up the news
 digest web pages I've created. :-(
Nov 18 2003
next sibling parent reply "Matthew Wilson" <matthew-hat -stlsoft-dot.-org> writes:
It's totally screwed for me still. Catch Up has to be done twice within the
ng, and then it goes away. As soon as you go to another group and come back,
it all comes back.

It's made it all just about unusable. (That's probably a blessing, though,
as I spend far to much time hanging around these ngs and not getting on with
my work.)

"gf" <mz_y2k yahoo...com> wrote in message
news:Xns943756EA15AACmzy2kyahoocom 63.105.9.61...

 Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in
 news:bpbopc$62q$1 digitaldaemon.com:


 Sorry I had to once the SPAM was deleted...
 Won't do it again...


 You could just ignore it. It would be much easier.
 BTW XNews 06.08.25 is messed up a little too... I "catched up" and it
 "seems" to be working fine now.

 ~/gf



 Walter wrote:

 BTW, please don't renumber the messages. That will mess up the news
 digest web pages I've created. :-(
Nov 18 2003
next sibling parent reply "Matthew Wilson" <matthew-hat -stlsoft-dot.-org> writes:
btw, it doesn't matter how many times I unsubscribe and resubscribe. Same
deal.

Any fixes in the offing?


"Matthew Wilson" <matthew-hat -stlsoft-dot.-org> wrote in message
news:bpcp11$1jvb$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 It's totally screwed for me still. Catch Up has to be done twice within


the

 ng, and then it goes away. As soon as you go to another group and come


back,

 it all comes back.

 It's made it all just about unusable. (That's probably a blessing, though,
 as I spend far to much time hanging around these ngs and not getting on


with

 my work.)

 "gf" <mz_y2k yahoo...com> wrote in message
 news:Xns943756EA15AACmzy2kyahoocom 63.105.9.61...

 Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in
 news:bpbopc$62q$1 digitaldaemon.com:


 Sorry I had to once the SPAM was deleted...
 Won't do it again...


 You could just ignore it. It would be much easier.
 BTW XNews 06.08.25 is messed up a little too... I "catched up" and it
 "seems" to be working fine now.

 ~/gf



 Walter wrote:

 BTW, please don't renumber the messages. That will mess up the news
 digest web pages I've created. :-(
Nov 18 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Yes, probably delete the news.digitalmars.com account, recreate it and 
subscribe again.



Matthew Wilson wrote:


 btw, it doesn't matter how many times I unsubscribe and resubscribe. Same
 deal.
 
 Any fixes in the offing?




-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent reply "Tempest" <no.spam inter.nl.net> writes:
I tried this (removing the entire account and recreating it). The problem
remains. I fear Gisle Vanem is right, it seems to be a serverside problem.

Kind regards,
Tempest

"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpd8tl$292a$3 digitaldaemon.com...

 Yes, probably delete the news.digitalmars.com account, recreate it and
 subscribe again.



 Matthew Wilson wrote:


 btw, it doesn't matter how many times I unsubscribe and resubscribe.




Same

 deal.

 Any fixes in the offing?




 --
 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Tempest wrote:

 I tried this (removing the entire account and recreating it). The problem
 remains. I fear Gisle Vanem is right, it seems to be a serverside problem.


Sure it is...

I *refuse* to use Look Out "Outlook" for email or news. Use Mozilla 
Thunderbird instead. I have deleted the news.digitalmars.com account. 
Went to the disk to delete the cache, well news.digitalmars.com under 
the News directory. Restarted Thunderbird. Created news.digitalmars.com 
again and subscribed to all the newsgroups... No problem there...

I just tried Opera www.opera.com as I use Opera as second next to 
Mozilla... Opera is even better. Just hit the newsgroups. It updated 
everything without my intervention.

I wonder how "Look Out" deals with newsgroups that expire articles. Just 
because some clients do not know how to deal with a news server does not 
mean that the server is the problem...

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan digitalmars.com> writes:
Yet, here the response from Opera!

ManiaC++
Jan Knepper


-- 
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Nov 18 2003
parent reply Arjan Knepper <arjan ask.me> writes:
What is al this? I only had 1 day every subgroup reporting one unread 
message more than actually true, after that no problems at all.

Yes I'm NOT using OutLook but Mozilla.

Jan Knepper wrote:

 Yet, here the response from Opera!
 
 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent roland <--rv ronetech.com> writes:
Arjan Knepper a écrit :

 What is al this? I only had 1 day every subgroup reporting one unread 
 message more than actually true, after that no problems at all.
 
 Yes I'm NOT using OutLook but Mozilla.
 
 Jan Knepper wrote:
 

 Yet, here the response from Opera!

 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper


 


same with me: I don't understand what they are talking about as I didn't 
noticed any problem. I use Mozilla.

roland
Nov 19 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Tempest" <no.spam inter.nl.net> writes:
Yes, it would be wonderful to have the luxury of installing any application
I like on the computers I have to work on. Too bad my world isn't like that.

"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpdp31$43$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Tempest wrote:

 I tried this (removing the entire account and recreating it). The




problem

 remains. I fear Gisle Vanem is right, it seems to be a serverside




problem.

 Sure it is...

 I *refuse* to use Look Out "Outlook" for email or news. Use Mozilla
 Thunderbird instead. I have deleted the news.digitalmars.com account.
 Went to the disk to delete the cache, well news.digitalmars.com under
 the News directory. Restarted Thunderbird. Created news.digitalmars.com
 again and subscribed to all the newsgroups... No problem there...

 I just tried Opera www.opera.com as I use Opera as second next to
 Mozilla... Opera is even better. Just hit the newsgroups. It updated
 everything without my intervention.

 I wonder how "Look Out" deals with newsgroups that expire articles. Just
 because some clients do not know how to deal with a news server does not
 mean that the server is the problem...

 --
 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Tempest wrote:


 Yes, it would be wonderful to have the luxury of installing any application
 I like on the computers I have to work on. Too bad my world isn't like that.


That depends on what you define as your world, but...

You could use the HTTP interface to the newsgroups...
That does not seem to have any problems...
http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?-st+c%2B%2B

Also, I bet if you researched how Look Out deals with it's data you 
would be able to fix it...

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent reply "Matthew Wilson" <matthew-hat -stlsoft-dot.-org> writes:
So what you seem to be saying is: "if you use software that I don't approve
of, hard luck!"

Is this correct, or am I misreading things?

"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpdp31$43$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Tempest wrote:

 I tried this (removing the entire account and recreating it). The




problem

 remains. I fear Gisle Vanem is right, it seems to be a serverside




problem.

 Sure it is...

 I *refuse* to use Look Out "Outlook" for email or news. Use Mozilla
 Thunderbird instead. I have deleted the news.digitalmars.com account.
 Went to the disk to delete the cache, well news.digitalmars.com under
 the News directory. Restarted Thunderbird. Created news.digitalmars.com
 again and subscribed to all the newsgroups... No problem there...

 I just tried Opera www.opera.com as I use Opera as second next to
 Mozilla... Opera is even better. Just hit the newsgroups. It updated
 everything without my intervention.

 I wonder how "Look Out" deals with newsgroups that expire articles. Just
 because some clients do not know how to deal with a news server does not
 mean that the server is the problem...

 -- 
 ManiaC++
 Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Matthew Wilson wrote:

 So what you seem to be saying is: "if you use software that I don't approve
 of, hard luck!"
 
 Is this correct, or am I misreading things?


No, you are misreading things...

I am reponsible for the HTTP, NTTP, FTP, CVS, etc servers. I am not 
reponsible for Outlook, Outlook Express and other news reader software 
and browsers.

Server maintenance required to cleanup, renumber the articles and 
recreate the overview and history databases. (As it turned out that 
people do 'cancel' news articles from the server.) As far as I can tell 
  the only news reader having serious problems with are the Microsoft 
products. (Mozilla recovered, so did Thunderbird. Opera never even 
showed one sign of a problem.)

Because people use these products they seem to make the mistake that I 
am reponsible for them if they do not work properly. I however don't 
think I am. I have given more advice than required to fix their problems 
and now because the product does not work I am at fault?

The unfortunate fact in this situation is that users of these particular 
problems have hardluck. But really... Is that my responsibility??? 
Excuse me for not having the time to install Outlook, or Outlook Express 
and trying to solve this problem. I've got to make an income to keep 
this all going.

Basically the solution is to get rid of the database or files or 
whatever your newsreader uses to store the reference information and 
make sure that you download all the news headers again. I confirmed this 
in Thunderbird where it worked like a charm. An other hint might be to 
do a search in www.google.com for Outlook+NNTP+renumber or something 
like that. Or search on the message Outlook gives. The solution might be 
very simple...

Thanks!
Jan



-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
OK, I tried to do in Outlook what I could do in Thunderbird, but was not 
able to do so in 15 minutes... Now I really know why I should not use 
Outlook! At first it only pulled in the latest messages. Than I changed 
the sync settings and it pulled in everything. Next I deleted everything 
and tried to pull it all in again, but it did not want to do that.

Anyways... An other option might be so subscribe to news.digimars.com it 
should go to the same news server.

Hope that helps.

Jan



-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent reply "KarL" <karl kimay.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpea6i$10bb$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 Because people use these products they seem to make the mistake that I
 am reponsible for them if they do not work properly. I however don't
 think I am. I have given more advice than required to fix their problems
 and now because the product does not work I am at fault?

 The unfortunate fact in this situation is that users of these particular
 problems have hardluck. But really... Is that my responsibility???
 Excuse me for not having the time to install Outlook, or Outlook Express
 and trying to solve this problem. I've got to make an income to keep
 this all going.


Unfortunately Jan, for many of us, we work in organisations which do
not allow us to install odd software which our IT department sees as
"potential virus/worm/trojans".

For me I can't use Netscape or others because the proxy box does not
allow direct connection to the net.  So I guess the Web interface might
be the only sensible method.

I use Linux at home.
Nov 18 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
KarL wrote:

 Unfortunately Jan, for many of us, we work in organisations which do
 not allow us to install odd software which our IT department sees as
 "potential virus/worm/trojans".
 


How "odd" that is!
O/OE is about the WORST if it comes to virus/worm/trojan... HA!


 For me I can't use Netscape or others because the proxy box does not
 allow direct connection to the net.  So I guess the Web interface might
 be the only sensible method.


Would OE allow that?


 I use Linux at home.


Good choice!
I use FreeBSD... for the server... ;-)

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent "KarL" <karl kimay.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:bpen3a$1iie$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 How "odd" that is!
 O/OE is about the WORST if it comes to virus/worm/trojan... HA!


Sigh, ...  you don't need to remind me on that....


 For me I can't use Netscape or others because the proxy box does not
 allow direct connection to the net.  So I guess the Web interface might
 be the only sensible method.


 Would OE allow that?


Actually it is the Windows 2000 ISA firewall server that is blocking.
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Well, yet an other Look Out user...



Matthew Wilson wrote:


 It's totally screwed for me still. Catch Up has to be done twice within the
 ng, and then it goes away. As soon as you go to another group and come back,
 it all comes back.
 
 It's made it all just about unusable. (That's probably a blessing, though,
 as I spend far to much time hanging around these ngs and not getting on with
 my work.)




-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
prev sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
 You could just ignore it. It would be much easier.


No way!
Ignoring it would be adding to the problem and inventually it would eat 
away all the bandwidth and prevent anyone from using the website or the 
news server.

http://www.digitaldaemon.com/Internet%20Services/blocked_email.html


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 18 2003
parent reply gf <mz_y2k yahoo...com> writes:
Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in news:bpddvj$2gpn$1
 digitaldaemon.com:


 You could just ignore it. It would be much easier.


 
 No way!
 Ignoring it would be adding to the problem and inventually it would eat 
 away all the bandwidth and prevent anyone from using the website or the 
 news server.
 
 http://www.digitaldaemon.com/Internet%20Services/blocked_email.html



Doe! I wouldn't dare to imagine those numbers... just forget my earlier 
post.
Nov 20 2003
parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
gf wrote:

 Doe! I wouldn't dare to imagine those numbers... just forget my earlier 
 post.


Thanks!

I think that *many* people do not quite imagine numbers like these. 
That's why I have 'em out there! It's seriously time sometime it going 
to be done against this...


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 20 2003
prev sibling parent reply "Matthew Wilson" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
I'm not sure whether someone else has tried all this, but I reached my
irritation point, and deleted all groups, and the newsgroup account,
compacting the folders at each step. I also tried all the options of
removing message bodies, deleting and even resetting, again compacting at
each step.

None of this worked.

As a last resort I created a DM news account on a machine that's never been
used, and it does exactly the same thing.

Now I am not qualified to stipulate the cause, but what I can now say is
that something with DM news is different to that of any other news server
that I use, and it is entirely unrelated to any ghost stuff hanging around
on the client machine. It may well be an inadequacy of OE, but the fact
remains that if you cannot, or will not, use another reader, the DM groups
are broken.

:(

I understand Jan's predicament; it's good of him to provide the servers.
Maybe my "efforts" can at least save anyone else from further futile
attempts.

Maybe if anyone has the time, they can do some further research on it.

Fingers crossed.

Matthew
Nov 19 2003
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Matthew Wilson wrote:

 I'm not sure whether someone else has tried all this, but I reached my
 irritation point, and deleted all groups, and the newsgroup account,
 compacting the folders at each step. I also tried all the options of
 removing message bodies, deleting and even resetting, again compacting at
 each step.
 
 None of this worked.


<sigh>


 As a last resort I created a DM news account on a machine that's never been
 used, and it does exactly the same thing.
 
 Now I am not qualified to stipulate the cause, but what I can now say is
 that something with DM news is different to that of any other news server
 that I use, and it is entirely unrelated to any ghost stuff hanging around
 on the client machine. It may well be an inadequacy of OE, but the fact
 remains that if you cannot, or will not, use another reader, the DM groups
 are broken.


If that didn't work you have not tried eveything. I was able to create a 
news.digitalmars.com news account in OE and download each and every 
message in the group without problems. I had to toy around a little with 
the synchonization settings though. I think I clicked on just 
news.digitalmars.com and used the window on the right to change settings 
and synchronize or download. A progress bar appeared and it downloaded 
EVERYTHING.

The bad thing however was that once I tried to replicate this by 
removing the articles and downloading again it did not work.


 I understand Jan's predicament; it's good of him to provide the servers.
 Maybe my "efforts" can at least save anyone else from further futile
 attempts.


There seem to be several alternatives that work fine:
* Mozilla (www.mozilla.org)
* Thunderbird (www.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/)
* Opera (www.opera.com)

 Maybe if anyone has the time, they can do some further research on it.


I will check into it some more when I have time tomorrow or after.

Thanks!
Jan


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 19 2003
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:


 If that didn't work you have not tried eveything. I was able to create a 
 news.digitalmars.com news account in OE and download each and every 
 message in the group without problems. I had to toy around a little with 
 the synchonization settings though. I think I clicked on just 
 news.digitalmars.com and used the window on the right to change settings 
 and synchronize or download. A progress bar appeared and it downloaded 
 EVERYTHING.
 
 The bad thing however was that once I tried to replicate this by 
 removing the articles and downloading again it did not work.


OK:
* Just subscribed to c++.announce in OE as I had not done that before.
* Changed the settings to "All Message".
* Clicked on "Synchronize Account".
That seemed to pull al the message in, no problems...

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ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Nov 19 2003
parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:


 Jan Knepper wrote:
 

 If that didn't work you have not tried eveything. I was able to create 
 a news.digitalmars.com news account in OE and download each and every 
 message in the group without problems. I had to toy around a little 
 with the synchonization settings though. I think I clicked on just 
 news.digitalmars.com and used the window on the right to change 
 settings and synchronize or download. A progress bar appeared and it 
 downloaded EVERYTHING.

 The bad thing however was that once I tried to replicate this by 
 removing the articles and downloading again it did not work.


 
 
 OK:
 * Just subscribed to c++.announce in OE as I had not done that before.
 * Changed the settings to "All Message".
 * Clicked on "Synchronize Account".
 That seemed to pull al the message in, no problems...
 


Goto properties... Click all the buttons under "Local File": Reset, 
Delete, Remove Messages, Compact and do the above and everything came 
right back...

Does that solve the problem???

Thanks!
Jan



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Jan Knepper
Nov 19 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew Wilson" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:bpgn8b$1fha$2 digitaldaemon.com...

 I'm not sure whether someone else has tried all this, but I reached my
 irritation point, and deleted all groups, and the newsgroup account,
 compacting the folders at each step. I also tried all the options of
 removing message bodies, deleting and even resetting, again compacting at
 each step.

 None of this worked.


Perhaps you could look at the number of unread messages, and then dump the
system registry to see if any of those numbers appear there?
Nov 19 2003
prev sibling parent reply gf <mz_y2k yahoo...com> writes:
"Matthew Wilson" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in
news:bpgn8b$1fha$2 digitaldaemon.com: 


 I'm not sure whether someone else has tried all this, but I reached my
 irritation point, and deleted all groups, and the newsgroup account,
 compacting the folders at each step. I also tried all the options of
 removing message bodies, deleting and even resetting, again compacting
 at each step.
 
 None of this worked.
 
 As a last resort I created a DM news account on a machine that's never
 been used, and it does exactly the same thing.
 
 Now I am not qualified to stipulate the cause, but what I can now say
 is that something with DM news is different to that of any other news
 server that I use, and it is entirely unrelated to any ghost stuff
 hanging around on the client machine. It may well be an inadequacy of
 OE, but the fact remains that if you cannot, or will not, use another
 reader, the DM groups are broken.
 
:(
 
 I understand Jan's predicament; it's good of him to provide the
 servers. Maybe my "efforts" can at least save anyone else from further
 futile attempts.
 
 Maybe if anyone has the time, they can do some further research on it.
 
 Fingers crossed.
 
 Matthew



But exactly what are you Outlook users experiencing? Missing articles?
Nov 20 2003
parent "Włodzimierz Skiba" <abx abx.art.pl> writes:
gf <mz_y2k yahoo...com> wrote in 
news:Xns94395F98E2F0Amzy2kyahoocom 63.105.9.61:

 But exactly what are you Outlook users experiencing? Missing articles?


I'm not Outlook user but I had strange behaviour too with Xnews. One day 
(about week ago) all 'Unread' numbers on news.digitalmars.com increased 
with 2. I had to 'Catch Up' function to empty them but I lost my marked as 
unreaded posts. Now everything seems work fine.

ABX
Nov 20 2003